What is the deal with homosexuality?
74I just don't understand it. I really don't and I would greatly appreciate if someone were to help me out. This subject homosexuality and the arguments both for and against it. Help me by explaining to me what is all the fuss about.
I have had a couple of discussions over the subject, and it just frustrates me that I have had to have these discussions to begin with. I really just don't understand why some people think that homosexuality is wrong.
This is just a couple of reasons that I have found as to why homosexuality is wrong.
1. "Unnatural"
What is natural? I see the definition for natural is very long but it seems to have a lot to do with nature, the original state of something, something not made by man...and so on. There is stuff like this, but I don't see anywhere anything about homosexuality. Then, of course, had to look up the definition for unnatural. This definition is a lot shorter, but basically goes along the lines of not consistent with nature and not consistent with normal human behaviors or feelings. I can see how someone bight derive the meaning that homosexuality is wrong from this, but if homosexuality occurs throughout nature the that makes it natural that only humans would engage in such practices.
Do you think...
See results without voting2. Procreation
I understand that homosexual relationships do not produce offspring, but there are over 7 billion people in the world. One would think that the world would have a problem with overpopulation rather than with homosexuality, but I guess that might not be true.
So, if heterosexual relationships do not always end with children why should gays and lesbians be treated any differently. Then this leads to another question, is a relationship between two homosexuals any different than that of two heterosexuals that are childless. The answer is no, one relationship is not superior to the other. If both are in loving monogamous relationships, then how can one be better than the other. Maybe, it is because one has the potential of having children and the other doesn't.
3. Schools
Why.....Why is this a problem of all things! Teaching children to tolerate one another is wrong because..... ( I really don't know what to put here). I still don't understand the argument for this one. Maybe, just maybe there was a person which could reasonably explain this in a way that is not extremely biased.
I just don't get it!
Now that I have put some of my thoughts out there as to why I don't think that homosexuality is wrong. I feel that I have made this an extremely opinionated paper solely on my thoughts and feelings on the subject. This gives me a reason to research the matter further as to whether, homosexuality has always been an issue and for how long. Some things that I have read are so distastefully written that it gives me reasons to reconsider the true origins of the argument. This is my first hub so please go gentle on me when critiquing it.
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Hi LawrenceS, I see that you've visited my hub Home Depot, Homosexuality and Me. Let me repeat below my response to a comment from the opposite point of view.
"I hold that homosexuality is unnatural in the sense that it is not the relationship for which our bodies were designed. That seems to me a bit obvious. I grant that homosexual relationships may seem natural to the person who deems him/herself homosexual from birth. Further, given our fallen condition much that God calls sin, feels very natural to us. Milton in Paradise Lost has Satan exclaiming "evil be though my good." And so it is with many.
I believe homosexuality is self-destructive in that it obsesses over the sensual to the degree that unhealthy practices are applauded so long as there is an immediate pleasure. Admitedly the same can be true of heterosexual activity. But they seem specially severe in connection with homosexuality. I don't elevate homosexualitiy to a super-sin. Smoking and greed and promiscuous heterosexual contact is also self-destructive.
Of course, I believe it's wrong because declared so in the Scriptures. I understand that unbelievers will scoff at any appeal to Scriptural authority. Well, the alternative is human wisdom. Need I say more?
I think we would agree that one can love another without approving of particular behavior that other person may have. The homosexual community insists that they not only be loved, but approved.
Well how woulf you feel if you were denied the right to marriage and were treated like dirt in many places because you were straight? Walk a mile in another mans shoes as they say. Furthermore the whole way our bodies are designed thing is nonsense, studies found that prostate stimulation orgasms (the ones caused by anal sex for men) are more pleasurable than non prostate orgasms. Why would an intelligent indeed all knowing and all powerfull god not only give people the ability physically to be gay but also make it just as if not more pleasurable than "normal" sex? Seems a bit flawed to me. As for scripture if you are going to take it literally and use it as a moral guide please do the following:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
otherwise you are just a hypocrite.
You misunderstand Scripture. I invite you check out my hubs, especially the one mentioned in my answer to LawrenceS.
Thank you for the feedback. I was really nervous about publishing it because this is my first hub. I'm glad you enjoyed. I left the religious stuff out on purpose. I'm going to get to that hopefully in my next hub.
I'm sorry about using your hub (I think, I'm not sure) but I just wanted people to be able to read some others thoughts on the matter. I am glad that you read it and thank you for your comments.
While I am researching homosexuality and the Bible I found that the word homosexual with the connotation that it carries today, came into existence in the 1800's and that it was first used in 1911 and that it did not event come into the written scripture until 1946. I'm not saying that this means anything, I'm just pointing out the things I have found.
I don't think that any gay or lesbian person is looking for approval from anyone. I think a better word would be acceptance. Which I think is a completely legitimate claim. If you're going to use any religious stance to say that homosexuality is wrong. Then that forces me to ask a different question. What does any persons view of a personal choice to choose any religion have to do with the government accepting gay and lesbian couples as a valid form of marriage?
We can agree that one can love another without excepting particular behaviors, but when it comes to the degrading another for those same behaviors their in lies the problem that I have. Why, hate someone for something that they do.
Couldnt agree more Lawrence. As for misunderstanding scripture there is nothing to missunderstand, it is right there written in black and white directly qouted from the world of the lord.
It's more than acceptance that homosexuals want. Witness their in-your-face gay pride marches.
As for the Scriptures, it's silly to argue from the Scriptures with those who are hostile to them. This is not about evidence or proper interpretation. It's about basic world and life view. Example. What you and I (I think) would call a terrorist and jihadist would call a hero or a martyr. There's just no common ground for discussion.
Gay pride is very much about acceptance, of reminding people that they are there and part of campaigning for equal rights. If you find it confronting dont watch but doesent cuture continously celebrate the heterosexual lifestyle? after all almost everything is targeted towards heterosexuals, I think its appropriate for gays to have their own aspect of our culture, it only makes it richer and more diverse. As for scripture you are intentionally deflecting the question and it is a simple one completely separate from my views do you accept the above qouted verses as a sound moral guide, if you do then fine, I think its extremist, if you don then evidently you believe that the bible is open to some interpretation and for lack of a better term modernising (I have no problem with this) in which case along with killing women who arent virgins on their wedding night can we also dump the discrimination against and hatred of homosexuals (who are human beings and thus by your perspective created equal)
Maybe we can agree that sexuality of all varieties has become too public and commercial. I would be just as troubled by in your face heterosexual stuff. Call me a prude.
Yes, I accept the Bible as the inspired Word of God. So I don't dodge the hard and troubling parts. Have several hubs about that. Check out Those Disgusting Scriptures. My point is that one must understand them in their immediate literary and cultural context and in light of the grand plan of God for rescueing us from ourselves. If a reader doesn't buy into the big plan, he gets stuck on the minutia which, of course, seem huge when out of context.
I have several exchanges with fellow hubbers where in the end we've agreed that we inhabit different world and life universes. Once we recognize that the exchange becomes less inflamatory and more productive.
You would make a great politician you know, not a single straight answer :P (fair eneough I dont want to fight and I respect other views it just makes me mad when people use their faith as en excuse to discriminate against or diminish others) As for over sexualising you may be right but then thats a separate issue all together isn't it but if it is everyone then why were you picking on gays about it?
Context my friend, context!
Gee, this whole string of comments is about homosexuality. I wasn't picking on gays. People will always misuse their faith, because no matter what we believe we are still sinners.
I think everyone knows that most “religious” organizations will tell you homosexuality is wrong. Homosexual people are aware of what they teach. Maybe the religious communities ought to get their own homes in order before worrying about everyone else’s.
I don’t know if people are born with or develop homosexual tendencies. I do know that according to the Bible we are all sinners, that our sin has already been dealt with and that it is totally unnecessary for anyone to perish. Some believe this many perhaps don’t. I don’t think society should necessarily be obligated to follow or submit to the beliefs of religious organizations. I specifically don’t agree with how many “Christian’s” have made it their issue in society. What religions do within their organized communities isn’t necessarily good for society either.
With that being said, I doubt that it is the condemnation received from the religious communities that first alerts the homosexual that entering into a same sex relationship isn’t “right”. Being attracted to the same sex may not be what you wanted, but that’s the way it is. It is reasonable to assume that same sex attraction is common, yet by most not acted on for a variety of reasons. While the relationships might be easier with greater tolerance or acceptance from society, that isn’t the issue in my opinion.
The greater issue is for the individual to seriously contemplate before entering into a same sex relationship or continuing one is the impact it will have on you in this life and eternity if such is the case. It is possible to forego having a relationship while you look into for yourself what it is that makes this such a hot button discussion with so many. All relationships are difficult and best entered into slowly. I personally think that it would be beneficial to avoid intimate relationships until you are convinced with your head and you heart to move ahead.
Hey Lawrence. Welcome to Hubpages. I'm pretty new also. Wanted to give you feedback on this topic that might help you understand homosexuality better.
When you hit puberty you start having sexual attraction. For gay males that attraction is to other males. The way breasts, vaginas and the female form excite a heterosexual male all things male will excite a homosexual male. For me, back in my teens, once I understood that I was gay and that it was legitimate, not something that was going to go away, I didn't try to fit in to the the straight world, but I knew to keep quiet: High school in the 80s wasn't the place to be open about it. Basically, for males, your penis is your guide to your sexuality. It's that simple.
The pressures from society is what causes problems for many gay males.... more in the past than now, though. I'm also a Christian and read the Bible regularly. Interpretations of the Bible where God condemns homosexuals can also be interpreted in other ways. However, the more fundamentalist and simplistic way, has been the one that has stuck and caused the difficulties for gay males in many Judeo-Christian societies.
Gay culture and homosexuality can be separated. While many gay men are effeminate, that is something learned. Your sexuality though is set. Subcultures often times can develop depraved traditions such as what you see on display in Gay Pride Parades. Many gay men are critical of this, but in subcultures you should apply the 80/20 rule: 80% of people are f***** up. In current times, the larger culture is also a mess. Mix that up with certain characteristics of the gay subculture and you don't get the best results.
I hope this helps to shed some light on this topic. Gays are singled out because we're still fair game. Blacks and Jews use to be acceptable targets but no more. All the hatred that sinful straight people need to scapegoat is piled on to the gays. Churches benefit and prosper because they get to fill their pews and pockets with money just by telling their congregation that everything is ok as long as you're not gay.
Hello, Lawrence,
Like you, I am a Christian.
That said, all I know is that I do not really know anything.
Now, I do believe that homosexuality is a sin but, so far as that goes, I also believe that adultery, fornication, and children stealing cookies from cookie jars are sins and are just as "serious sins" as homosexuality is.
When the foregoing is taken into account, I am nothing but a lowly sinner; therefore, I am in no position to view myself as being morally superior to homosexuals or anybody else.
Thanks for the comment.
The issue of whether a person attracted to the same sex and have the ability to feel comfortable in their own skin, has more to do with societal pressures than one's personal choice to engage in these practices. The bigger issue you claim, has nothing to do with what gender one is attracted to, but rather to engage in a relationship with a person ,not based on sexual preference, and the affect that decision will have on one's own life.
Don't take this the wrong way, I understand your point, this is just my opinion.
Hi feenix,
Thank you for commenting. I don't want to look like a fan, but I read your articles all the time.
With that, I agree, well not that homosexuality is a sin, but with that I have sinned and am not morally superior to anyone else.
Thanks, I agree with you that gay culture and homosexuality can be separated. I can also understand that being gay in the 80's was rough.
Hey, Lawrence,
I wrote, I believe that homosexuality is a sin.
In other words, I was saying that it is my OPINION that homosexuality is a sin.
And I know that I do not have tell you what they say about OPINIONS ;-)
Sorry, I meant that I don't believe it is a sin, but like you said about opinions though.
Sorry, I meant that I don't believe it is a sin, but like you said about opinions though.
I liked the honesty in your Hub,and have to be impressed by the comments you generated. Congrats, it is always good to hit the deckplates running! I am a Christian, but I can't read minds, much less the mind of God, so I'll leave judgement to Him. He is probably better at it than I would be, anyway.
You certainly picked a controversial subject for your first hub.
Welcome to HubPages, Lawrence. You're a brave writer to tackle such a subject right out of the gate -- and I commend you. As to my opinion I fall in the same category with my friend Feenix -- as a sinner (and Christian) there's no way for me to cast the first stone no matter what I think. I have a friend who always says (and this includes everyone on the planet) "let everyone do as they damned please and let God sort 'em out!" With that I'll again say welcome and looking forward to reading more of your articles. Best, Sis
I cannot help but make notice of a person who throws out scripture as a way to support their judgement of any person, yet forgets the one scripture that prevents them from doing such a thing without accepting the same consequence.
"Thou shalt not judge lest ye be judged."
If we are to bring it as a matter of God, shouldn't we too allow God to be the judge?
"Treat thy neighbor as thyself."
Seems to me we all have a bit of perfecting to do (me included) and we need to work on ourselves and leave others to make decisions for themselves.
Brave you are Lawrence for taking a head dive into a sensitive topic. I can appreciate your stance. If you do find something concrete do not fear passing it along to me.
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Josak Level 6 Commenter 4 months ago
First off welcome to Hubs! second I really enjoyed it, I completely agree with your take, however you forgot to mention the main reason "because (insert religious text here usually Bible) says its wrong" which offcourse is no kind of argument at all but hey all you can do is say that the bible says you should also kill dwarves and peopple who aren't virgins on their wedding nights and hope they understand that its a preety poor moral guide.
Anyway sorry I cant give you a view on the opposite perspective becuase I dont share it but I enjoyed the hub so voted up and interesting and i will follow to see what more you produce!